The chapter THE SILENT WAR gets to be very dynamic these days. It is not a coincidence since the spiritual clarifications are necessary for all of us in order to allow the spiritual revolution to begin in the world.

Shri Ajita made another move and deepens himself into his own accusations. It is now clearer what he is up to. You can read his letter here: The third letter from Shri Ajita.

You can also read my reply to this letter here: My third reply to Shri Ajita

Varianta in limba romana: Scrisoarea a treia catre Shri Ajita

For all the correspondence with Shri Ajita click here: Correspondence with Shri Ajita

MOTTO: daca taceai, intelept ramaneai!
Draga Ajita,

Sunt uimit ca dupa ce ai citit ceea ce ti-am scris ai continuat cu acuzatii mizerabile si nefondate.

Eu inteleg din ceea ce scrii tu ca ai cedat tentatiei (fapt care nu este nou dealtfel in lumea in care traim astazi) de a critica ceea ce nu intelegi pentru ca in acest fel ai mai multe sanse de a ramane de partea “puterii” si de a nu risca sa fii in prima linie a transformarii care vine. Inteleg si te compatimesc profound pentru aceast esec spiritual. Sper ca din tristul tau exemplu, cei lucizi vor invata ca pe calea spirituala nu este permis sa facem compromisuri chiar si daca ni se pare ca drumul transformarii este prea anevoios.

Acuzatiile tale vadesc din nou o necunoastere flagranta (mai ales pentru pozitia pe care vrei sa ti-o arogi in comunitatea internationala) a principiilor morale ale spiritualitatii. Tu faci acuzatii plecand de la presupuneri, fapt care reprezinta ori o proasta educatie spirituala ori o rea intentie si iti marturisesc ca nici nu stiu care varianta ar fi de preferat in situatia ta. In scrisorile mele de raspuns de pana acum, ti-am spus despre modul in care inteleg eu calea tantrica si ce anume am facut pentru a pune in aplicare aceste principii. Daca dupa expunerea deschisa a acestor aspecte tu consideri ca eu sunt implicat in “sex-business” ma vad nevoit sa iti reamintesc proverbul intelepciunii milenare care spune ca “cel pervers judeca lumea dupa propria sa perversitate”.

Mai grav decat atat, tu faci persupuneri si dupa aceea tragi concluzii bazate pe aceste presupuneri nefondate: “As sex business is profit oriented, you have all reasons to stimulate desire in your customers and to be attached to money.”

Ceea ce tu expui in aceste randuri nu este deloc o atitudine a unei persoane spirituale ci mai degraba atitudinea unui om plin de resentimente si avand chiar si o anumita doza de prostie. Dupa toate explicatiile pe care ti le-am dat (si ai fi putut sa ceri mai multe lamuriri daca simteai nevoia) trebuie sa fii lipsit intr-o anumita masura de inteligenta ca sa faci asemenea rationamente schioape si sa te dedai la o asemenea stare de prostitutie spirituala. Ce interese servesti tu Ajita cand faci asemenea acuzatii?

As fi putut sa cred citind primele randuri ale ultimei tale scrisori ca nu ai citit cu atentie ceea ce ti-am raspuns si te-ai cam grabit cu raspunsul tau (graba care iarasi nu este expresia unei stari de intelepciune). Insa la un moment dat faci dovada ca ai citit cu atentie ceea ce ti-am scris si chiar ai invatat cate ceva despre tantra din ceea ce ai citit. Iata pentru a te ajuta sa constientizezi acest aspect am sa pun spre exemplificare unul dupa altul doua citate, unul din prima ta scrisoare si apoi altul din ultima. Astfel se poate vedea cu usurinta cum ti-ai transformat viziunea despre tantra, fapt care ma bucura pentru ca inseamna macar ca ai citit totusi cu atentie ceea ce ti-am scris:

Tu spui in prima ta scrisoare:

“Using sexual desire to attain internal life is an extremely demanding art, where the practitioner has to be fully detached, with his mind under total control. Failing to achieve that, the practitioner will fall in external life, which is the cycle of reincarnation.”

Pentru ca apoi sa revi asupra acestei pareri si sa o nuantezi in ultima scrisoare spunand:

“But a real Tantra Yoga teacher does only use desire, controlling it better and better by means
of detachment, as to reach enlightenment by transformation of the energy of desire.”

Chiar daca ma bucura faptul ca ai invatat cate ceva despre tantra din acest dialog totusi nu pot sa nu remarc insa aceasta modificare a pareri tale care nu este nicidecum atitudinea unui om intelept. Puteai macar sa spui ca ai mai inteles inca ceva din tantra si ca din noua perspective – care este mult mai nuantata si mai cuprinzatoare (pe care ai luat-o chiar din raspunsurile mele catre tine) – mai ai si alte intrebari. Faptul ca nu faci aceasta mentiune importanta sit e faci ca ai avut inca de la inceput aceasta opinie numai pentru a iti repara o anumita imagine despre tine insuti nu iti face cinste ca om si ca profesor de yoga. Totusi se vede ca am avut dreptate sa iti raspund mai detaliat insistand asupra aspectelor spirituale pentru ca iata si tu (si poate si altii care aveau aceleasi confuzii ca si tine) ai avut de invatat. De aceea voi continua sa port acest dialog cu tine si voi continua sa detaliez raspunsurile mele in legatura cu subiectele spirituale.

Afirmatia ta cum ca: “Assuming that you are a Tantra Yoga teacher, who can believe that you will detach yourself from your profit goal in sex business when you teach? Nobody.” te contrazice chiar pe tine in afirmatia pe care o faceai in fraza precedenta. Tu spui mai intai ca un profesor de tantra se foloseste de dorinta tranformand-o gradat pentru ca sa poata sa transceanda si imediat apoi spui ca daca as fi profesor de tantra nimeni nu poate sa creada ca se poate face asa ceva?? Tu chiar nu citesti ce ai scris inainte de a trimite public asemenea greseli flagrante care te descalifica in fata celor care citesc? Se pare ca aceasta confruntare cu propriile tale inhibitii sexuale ti-a scapat de sub control si ai inceput sa faci lucruri pe care cu siguranta le vei regreta mai tarziu cand oamenii vor citi cu atentie ceea ce ai spus acum cand esti sub influenta acestor ciudatenii care iti ies din subconstient. Te sfatuiesc prieteneste sa te opresti si sa citesti inainte de mai multe ori ceea ce ai de gand sa pui pe domeniul public si chiar sa rogi un prieten care nu este atat de prins in acest joc al dorintelor inferioare si orgoliului sa citeasca ceea ce vrei sa trimiti pentru a iti da un feedback si pentru a evita viitoare greseli. In felul acesta poti sa eviti a te face de ras intr-un mod in care o sa fie mai greu sa repari mai tarziu chiar daca ai sa doresti aceasta.

Dovada ca lucrurile ti-au scapat complet de sub control vine chiar in continuarea scrisorii tale cand incepi sa te dedai la injurii si acuzatii grave pe care nici macar un om fara o educatie spirituala nu le poate poate emite fara sa fie sanctionat drept rau intentionat sau lipsit de bun simt.

Afirmatia ta “using an uncontrollable “methodology” consisting of a mish mash of techniques and so called revelations, which are not in accordance with the standards of the International Yoga Federation.” este uimitoare avand in vedere ca nici tu nu cunosti care este standardul Federatiei Internationale de Yoga care a fost incalcat de catre tehnicile si metodele pe care le folosim noi pentru simplul motiv ca un asemenea “standard” nici nu exista.  

Daca acest standard ar fi existat si noi l-am fi incalcat atunci fii sigur ca cei care conduc aceast federatie ar fi reactionat promt mai demult. Tu insa intr-un mod pervers lasi sa se inteleaga ca noi am folosi tehnici si metode stranii care ar incalca un imaginar standard al federatiei Internationale. Folosirea aceluiasi limbaj insinuant fara sa aduci nici un fel de argumente te pune intr-o lumina extrem de proasta. Imi dau seama din aceasta cat de grave sunt aceste probleme cu care te confrunti si am de gand sa propun celor care doresc sa facem o serie de 7 binecuvantari pentru tine pentru a te ajuta sa iesi din acest marasm al urii si calomniei in care ai intrat de buna voie.

In plus, daca ai fi avut minimul bun simt sa studiezi ceea ce predam noi in aceasta scoala de yoga, ai fi vazut ca in realitate noi folosim aceleasi metode ca si in tratatele clasice in marea lor majoritate, iar in anumite cazuri particulare (insa foarte putine comparativ cu cantitatea imensa de cunostinte spirituale care se predau in aceasta scoala) folosim si metode esoterice care sunt mai rar intalnite si care se adreseaza unui grup restrans de initiati. Pentru aceste aspecte speciale sunt realizate selectii speciale tocmai pentru ca sa se pastreze caracterul esoteric al acestor metode. Dupa studiile mele acestea sunt modalitatile prin care se procedeaza in toate scolile esoterice in lume si nu stiu sa fi incalcat nici un fel de standard al vreunei federatii internationale. Este adevarat ca de multe ori scoala noastra a provocat in cei rigizi si obtuzi la minte unele accese de furie sau chiar excese de limbaj insa aceasta nu justifica tonul scrisorilor tale.

In ansamblu tu prezinti o atitudine dogmatica si chiar cu tendinte fanatice care sunt foarte apropiate de aceea a inghizitorilor din evul mediu. Unde este toleranta si intelepciunea yoghina? Unde este bunavointa de a face mai intai un studio aprodundat si de a discuta cu mine mai intai? Vei spune probabil ca ai asteptat un an pana sa faci asemenea afirmatii ins ate intreb: ce ai facut tu in acest an pentru a ma contacta si pentru a imi spune toate aceste indoieli si nelinisti ale tale? Raspunsul este simplu si te demasca: in tot acest timp nu ai facut nimic pentru a cunoaste mai bine acest subiect. Te-ai repezit acum sa reactionezi intr-un mod singular, cand unele persoane in slujba serviciilor secrete din Romania au publicat calomnii despre scoala noastra, reactie pe care ai avut-o nu datorita convingerilor tale ci datorita inhibitiilor tale la nivelul sexual care au fost reactivate de aceste barfe ordinare. Nu ti se pare ciudat ca tocmai acum ai reactionat si reactia ta este numai de a acuza fara nici un fel de dovezi, asa cum dealtfel sunt si calomniile pe care le-au proferat si acei “profesionisti” ai calomniei?

Ca o dovada suplimentara ca ceea ce spui este aberant, iata ca discutand cu conducerea federatiei internationale am aflat ca planul referitor la cogresul de la Bucuresti ramane la fel, ei pregatindu-se sa participe in mod direct la aceasta manifestare. Daca tu ai fi vorbit in numele lor, de ce nimeni nu te sustine? Nu iti da de gandit si aceasta situatie, sau tie iti este suficient ca afirmatiile tale sunt sustinute de calomniile proferate de anumiti indivizi dubiosi si de catre atacurile aberante ale autoritatilor romanesti?

Si inca un aspect straniu la raspunsul tau: desi te-am intrebat de doua ori tu niciodata nu faci referire si la dosarele ilegal constituite impotriva lui Gregorian Bivolaru si a inca 50 de profesori de yoga din MISA. Se intelege din aceasta ca de fapt tu esti de acord cu aceste abuzuri si ca te situezi de partea autoritatilor care au realizat acest abuz condamnat la nivel international. De ce nu ai macar curajul sa recunosti deschis aceasta parere? Explicatia pentru mine este simpla: daca ai recunoaste aceasta pozitie atunci parerile tale ar fi din start judecate altfel de catre ceilalti, stiind ca tu de faci exponentul unor criminali. Insa lasand sa treaca sub tacere aceste aspecte evdente tu speri sa abati atentia de la aspectele cu adevarat grave ale acestei situatii realizand acuzatii aberante si atacuri personale, manjite de o filozofie ieftina si superficiala. Insa asa cum ai putut sa observi din multiplele reactii pe care le-ai primit atat de la altii profesori de yoga din cadrul MISA cat si de la alte persoane care nu au nici o legatura cu scoala noastra, stratagema ta nu a tinut si ai fost demascat. Singurele persoane care continua sa te alimenteze cu calomnii si acuzatii aberante sunt cei care te-au pacalit sa le faci jocul bazandu-se pe lipsa ta de discernamant pe care din pacate, asa cum am putut vedea cu totii, o ai si ai manifestat-o din plin in aceste trei scrisori pe care le-ai scris.

Incheierea este o ipocrizie din partea ta cand spui: “I thank you for the opportunity of making more light in myself.” Ma intreb: daca dupa ce ai facut mai multa lumina in tine ai putut sa scoti asemenea aberatii pline de ura si acuzatii abjecte, cum arata interiorul tau inainte de a face lumina?

Cu profunda compasiune

Mihai Stoian

MOTTO:

“If you had remained silent, you would have remained wiser” (folklore)

Dear Ajita,

I am surprised that after you read what I wrote to you, you continued with dirty and ungrounded accusations. From what you wrote I understand that you gave in to the temptation (by the way, nothing new about this in the world we live in today) of criticising that which you do not understand because in this way you have more chances to remain on the side of “power” and of not taking the risk to be in the first line of the coming transformation. I understand and I have deep compassion for this spiritual failure of yours. I hope that those who are lucid will learn from the sad example you are giving that it is not allowed to make compromises on the spiritual path even if we consider the path of transformation as being too difficult.

Once again, your accusations show a flagrant lack of knowledge of the moral principles of spirituality (especially considering the position you want to have in the international community). You make accusations starting from assumptions. This shows either bad spiritual education or bad intention and I confess that I do not even know which of these is preferable in your case. In the letters I have answered to you so far I told you about the way in which I understand the Tantric path and what I have done in order to apply these principles. If, after the open presentation of these aspects, you say that I am involved in “sex-business”, I see clearly that I need to remind you about the ancient saying: “The pervert one judges the world according to his own perversity”.

What is even more serious, you make assumptions and then you draw conclusions based on these ungrounded assumptions: “As sex business is profit oriented, you have all reasons to stimulate desire in your customers and to be attached to money.”

What you say here is definitely not the attitude of a spiritual person, but rather the attitude of a person full of resentments, showing even a certain amount of stupidity. After all the explanations I gave (and you could have asked for more clarifications if you feel needed) you must be lacking some intelligence since you make such limping reasoning and indulge yourself into such a state of spiritual prostitution. What interests are you serving, Ajita, when you make such accusations?

Reading the first lines of your last letter, I could have believed that you did not read carefully what I have answered to you and you just replied back in a rush (rush is also not the expression of a state of wisdom). But at a certain moment you prove that you did read carefully what I wrote to you and that you even learned something about Tantra from what you read. In order to help you become aware of this aspect, I will insert two quotes, one from your first letter and then another from your last one. Thus, one can easily notice how you transformed your vision about Tantra. I am happy about that, because at least it shows that you did read carefully what I wrote to you:
In your first letter you say:

“Using sexual desire to attain internal life is an extremely demanding art, where the practitioner has to be fully detached, with his mind under total control. Failing to achieve that, the practitioner will fall in external life, which is the cycle of reincarnation.”

In your last letter you come back to this opinion with more nuances and outline it by saying:

“But a real Tantra Yoga teacher does only use desire, controlling it better and better by means
of detachment, as to reach enlightenment by transformation of the energy of desire.”

I am really happy you understood something about Tantra from this dialogue, yet I cannot help noting that this change in your point of view is not the attitude of a wise man. You could have at least say that you understood something more about Tantra and that now, from the new perspective – which is more nuanced and more encompassing (which you have got from my answers to you) – you have more questions. The fact that you do not mention this and that you pretend you had this opinion from the beginning, only to fix a certain image about yourself does not honour you as a man and yoga teacher. Still, it is clear that I was right to give you a more detailed answer, insisting on the spiritual aspects, because you (and maybe also others who had the same confusion like you) had something to learn. This is why I will continue this dialogue with you and I will give details in my answers about spiritual subjects.

Your affirmation: “: “Assuming that you are a Tantra Yoga teacher, who can believe that you will detach yourself from your profit goal in sex business when you teach? Nobody.” is a contradiction to what you said in the previous sentence. First, you say that a Tantra teacher uses desire, transforming it gradually, in order to be able to transcend, and immediately afterwards you say that if I had been a Tantra teacher nobody could believe this is possible to be done. Don’t you read what you wrote yourself, before sending publicly such flagrant mistakes, which disqualify you in front of those who read them? It seems that facing your own sexual inhibitions is out of your control and you have started to do things which for sure you will regret later on, when people will read carefully what you wrote now, while you are under the influence of these strange things coming out of your subconscious. I friendly advice you to stop and read for several times what you plan to send out publicly. You can even ask a friend, who is not so caught up in this game of inferior desires and ego, to read what you want to send in order to give you a feedback and to avoid further mistakes. In this way you can avoid to become embarrassing in a way that will be much more difficult to be fixed later on, even if you want it.

The proof that things are completely out of your control comes from the continuation of your letter, when you start insulting and making serious accusations that not even a man without a spiritual education can say without being punished as bad intended or as lacking common sense.

You say: “”using an uncontrollable “methodology” consisting of a mishmash of techniques and so called revelations, which are not in accordance with the standards of the International Yoga Federation.” This affirmation is surprising, considering you yourself do not know any standard of the International Yoga Federation that was broken by the techniques and methods that we use, and this is because such a “standard” does not exist.

If this standard had existed and we had broken it, then for sure the leaders of this Federation would have had an instant reaction long time ago. But you, in a pervert way, mislead people into understanding that we use strange methods and techniques which break an imaginary standard of the International Federation. Using insinuations, without bringing any arguments puts you in an extremely bad light. From this I realize how serious these problems that you are facing are and I intend to propose to those who want to make a series of 7 blessings for you, in order to help you get out of this moral decay of hatred and calumny, in which you have willingly entered.

Besides, if you had had minimum common sense to study what we teach in this yoga school, you would have seen that in fact we use the same methods as in the classic treaties – most of them – and in certain particular cases (very little, compared to the huge quantity of spiritual knowledge that is taught in this school) we also use esoteric methods which are rarely found and which are for a limited group of initiates. For these special aspects, special selections are done in order to maintain the esoteric character of those methods. According to my studies, these are the ways used by all esoteric schools in the world and I do not know of having broken any standard of any International Federation. It is true, in the ones who are rigid and squared minded, our school has caused anger or even excessive use of insults, but this does not justify the tone of your letters.

All in all, you present a dogmatic attitude, even with fanatic tendencies, very close to that of the middle eve inquisitors. Where is yogic tolerance and wisdom? Where is the good will to first make a deep study and then talk to me? You will probably say you have waited for 1 year to make such affirmations, but my question is: what have you done during this year to contact me and tell me about all these doubts and anxieties you have? The answer is simple and it takes off your mask: during all this time you did not do anything in order to get to know this subject better. Now you rushed into having a reaction in a singular way, when certain people in the Romanian Secret Services published all those calumnies about our school. You had this reaction not because of your beliefs, but due to your inhibitions at the sexual level which had been reactivated by these ordinary gossips. Don’t you find it strange that you reacted just now and that your reaction is only to bring accusations without any proofs, just like the calumnies brought by those calumny “professionals”?

As a supplementary proof that what you say is absurd, talking to the Leadership if the International Federation I found out that the plan regarding the congress in Bucharest stays the same and they are preparing to participate directly to this manifestation. If you had spoken in their name, how come that nobody supports you?

Doesn’t this situation make you think, or for you it is enough that your affirmations are supported by the calumnies uttered by certain suspicious individuals and by the absurd attacks of Romanian authorities?

Another strange aspect in your answer: although I have asked you twice, you never make reference to the illegal files against Gregorian Bivolaru and 50 other yoga teachers in MISA. This leads to the understanding that in fact you agree with these abuses and that you are on the side of the authorities who made these abuses, condemned at international level. Why don’t you at least have the courage to admit openly this opinion? The explanation for me is easy: if you admit this position, then your opinions will be judged by the others from the beginning, knowing that you are the spokesman of some criminals. But if you keep silence about these obvious aspects, you hope to draw the attention from the real serious aspects of this situation, making absurd accusations and personal attacks, tarnished by a cheap and superficial philosophy. But, as you could notice from the multiple reactions received both from other yoga teachers within MISA as well as from other people that have no connection to our school, your strategy failed and your mask was taken off. The only ones who continue to feed you with absurd calumnies and accusations are the ones who tricked you into doing their game, based on your lack of discernment. Unfortunately, as we all could see, you manifested this fully in these three letters you wrote.

In the end, it is hypocrisy from you when you say: “”I thank you for the opportunity of making more light in myself.” I wonder: If after you made more light into yourself you could say such absurd things, full of hatred and absurd accusations, how does your inside looked like before the light was made?

With deep compassion,

Mihai Stoian

Mihai Stoian,

You were very gentle last year in Kopenhagen and I was very naive.
I needed a long time to realize who you are and what your organization MISA is.
First I thought you were some special man practising an obscure form of Tantra Yoga. I proposed you my help because I know the danger of that approach.

In your respons you now admitted to be directly involved in “non-exposed” sex business.
As sex business is profit oriented, you have all reasons to stimulate desire in your customers and to be attached to money.
At the other hand you pretend to be a Tantra Yoga teacher. But a real Tantra Yoga teacher does only use desire, controlling it better and better by means of detachment, as to reach enlightenment by transformation of the energy of
desire. Assuming that you are a Tantra Yoga teacher, who can believe that you will detach yourself from your profit goal in sex business when you teach? Nobody.

So, I made a mistake considering you as a practitioner of the dangerous left hand Tantra Yoga style. You are not a Tantra Yoga practitioner at all. You are only a vulgar sex businessman using the names of “Tantra Yoga” and our
“International Yoga Federation” as an attractive cover for your controversial business activities. You systematically try to mislead people, using an uncontrollable “methodology” consisting of a mish mash of techniques and so called revelations, which are not in accordance with the standards of the International Yoga Federation.

I will advise to cancel the congress of June in Bucharest. And my conclusion is that you and your organization MISA cannot be accepted by any Yoga association.

I do not feel the need to say more, except that I thank you for the opportunity of making more light in myself.

Namaste,Shri Yogacharya Ajita
(Philippe Barbier)
Honorary Secretary of the International Yoga Federation for the European Union
President of the European Yoga Council of European Yoga Alliance
Honorary Life Member of the World Yoga Council
Member of the World Yoga Parliament
Member of the International Yoga Therapy Council
Member of the Coregroup of the Samenwerkende Yogadocenten Nederland
Director of the Raja Yoga Institute
Ilpendam, Holland
www.raja-yoga. org

I will make some comments to all the general issues and also to some particular ones. Some of the comments that were tendentious or irrelevant were deleted. Generally I am glad that tantra is such a subject of interest. By the big number of visits that the articles and comments about tantra are getting I can see the fascination this chapter of spirituality is exerting on modern people. It is not a coincidence since these days tantra represents one of the systems that hold the keys of the spiritual future. I will publish a series of articles that will shade more light on the tantric topic.

The motto of this set of comments can be: “the wise man shows the moon and the ignorant ones are talking about the finger the wise man uses to show the moon”

@Gura lumii

It is very simple how 7-8 people can write for many hours on the forums: in shifts! You can think for yourself if you want to find the solution to this problem or.. ask the ones that are doing this. They know better than us since they manage to do it. You also should read more careful my first reply to Ajita and you will understand better the situation with the movies…if you really want to understand this. Your confusions are soon becoming obsessive…

@Crina

The priests from the temple were also sending Jesus to death so… the story is not new on the spiritual field. I am aware which part of this statement will make an impression on you but this is it…read the motto of these comments.

It seems that you are not reading what I am saying since your conclusion is that: “tantra is all about sexuality”. This situation is only in your mind since I didn’t state that and my message is not at all showing this. Your conclusion is forced in and doesn’t go consistently with my statements. In our yoga school we are talking about the techniques to control the sexual energy but the time given to this lesson from the whole curriculum of courses is showing something else that you are stating here. I am surprised to read this from someone that pretends to attend our classes.

@A.M.

Sexual tantra is a part of tantra that is explaining the concepts related with the sexual energy and its spiritual integration. Stating that this is not having anything to do with yoga sows that you don’t know the definition of “yoga”. As I already said in one of my letters, for example ha-tha yoga is also using the polarity symbolism that is rooted in the same energy as the sexuality. It seems that you are talking from some religious summer university courses because only there you can find such stupid comments about sexuality as being completely forbidden on the spiritual path. Our school is using all the good things that appear in different traditions in order to provide people with a specific path they can tailor themselves according to their own needs. It is funny you are giving the example of Sivanada since there are so many others that are not denying the use of the sexual energy?

Didn’t you hear about brahmacharya integrated as sexual continence in the yogic life? If not I suggest reading more if you are interested into this subject. If you are not interested then please don’t apply the principle (very famous among Romanians): “let my neighbor’s goat die too”. (here the goat will be the chance to use the sexual energy and in the same time practice brahmacharya).

@A.M. @Gura Lumii

I am working now to a series of articles that are explaining the relation between the traditional tantra and the modern approach. There you will have the “proves” you requested and much more. Please read them and after we will talk. You have to keep in mind that each age of humanity have had its masters that were adapting the traditional teachings to that time in order to fit with the specific needs of the people existing then. Without this adaptation and upgrade, the teachings are remaining almost inaccessible to the people, being understood by the very few that will fit with that specific “profile” that is now almost gone. These aspects will become clearer for you if you read Grieg’s articles in the tantra section of MISA’s web site: http://www.yogaesoteric.net/content.aspx?lang=EN&item=1714

@gura lumii

Maybe you haven’t searched with the open spiritual perspective therefore what was visible for the spiritual seeker was not visible for you. Why not applying some spiritual tantric practice for a while and then search again? Don’t forget that “When the disciple is ready the master appears” says the spiritual tradition.

Your statement that “Kamasutra is not actually a tantric text” is a prove for the statement I have made above. A.M. was stating that Kamasutra is not a yogic text, you are stating that it is not a tantric text either! Maybe it is a cooking book? In the coming articles about tantra and the tantric concepts you can understand (maybe for the first time) what is tantra and how much or less is a text like Kamasutra belonging to the tantric path.  Until then I wish you a good tantric experience if you are so interested into this subject.

@gura lumii

The fact that you state that the lineage have to be as you said it is not correct. Please come with the text and I am ready to show you how I understand the “lineage” problem. But as a general observation (that is valid for any text talking about the “lineage” topic) we have to take into consideration that Jesus was not coming from any lineage (at least not an officially accepted one) and yet He was not less Divine. Also you have a lot of spiritual masters that started a great spiritual lineage but who were not initiated by any master in the physical world. In this respect I remind you about Ramana Maharishi. And more we have a lot of “masters” that belong to spiritual lineages and they are not at all proving their divine integration. It is the specific of Kali yuga that the lineages are lost and the spiritual traditions are renewed by genuine masters. More than this you have not to forget that not only the Tibetans are reincarnating but all the people are subjected to such a process. Why not Grieg receiving these initiations in a previous life and now perfectly remembering them? He explained this many times in the past. The only valid criteria that we can apply here is the spiritual efficiency that his teachings will have. And from what I have experienced (and many others did) his teachings are benefiting of a spiritual integration that is specific to a genuine spiritual master. Your approach is analogically like you have a very good car that proved excellent on the road but since you don’t know who is the producer of that car you don’t want to drive it, considering that it is a bad car. Think about this example when talking about the lineage topic and the things will have a completely different perspective and you will have the chance to find spirituality in places you wouldn’t expect now.

As for my colegue Nicu Catrina, the problem is much simpler since he has his spiritual master here in the world in the person of Grieg thus having a very solid lineage.

@atmaviveka

I agree with your statement that the practice and the awareness about these teachings these men generated (Grieg and Nicu) are much more important than the papers that they are having. From the many travels and contacts I have had in the world I know that there are extremely many people that have a lot of initiations and diplomas and strong lineages but their spiritual efficiency to awaken people toward spirituality is extremely little.

Even observing the people that are criticizing this yoga school I have noticed that their understanding about the spiritual subjects was deepened while searching the reasons to criticize. The messages I have read from many of them in the beginning were full of confusions and contradictions but now they are more coherent and even more intelligent. This is showing me that the good and the truth is inside of the school since a positive transformation is taking place even in its critics. (it is all resonance after all)

The manifested interest that this spiritual school will disappear is a great one from the Masonic organization and they usually act by taking in front people of low morality or intelligence that are making a personal crusade from fighting the school. This is why most of the time those that are criticizing without any background are only the puppets that are pushed foreword in this battle against genuine spirituality. I am now preparing a material about the patterns we have discovered studying the attacks that were done against many other spiritual movements in the world. The materials that I also have are proving with facts that these patterns are the result of a clear plan and not just the result of some agitated or furious people. And the strategy is diabolically smart because always the puppets that are pushed in front (and they are giving their name and putting themselves in the line of debate) have very strong ego and they will never accept that they were manipulated. They always say that they do it out of their own conviction and there is nobody suggesting them what to do. They will defend in this way unconsciously the ones staying in the shadow and pulling the strings. I will publish here the amazing documents that are showing these patterns as being the result of a clear plan.

@kapalika

If you want to make a difference and you are really concerned about what people understand about spirituality and particularly about yoga and tantra(as you pretend), why don’t you make some profound analysis about this topic and publish it with a great success. Than the people will be able to see what is the real tantra and what is the fake and inefficient one. If people will practice after your books and they will get enlightened and in the same time yours will be much easier to understand than be sure that nobody will follow some schools like MISA which you have accused of “plagiarism”. Even the notion of plagiarism mentioned in the context of a spiritual school is hilarious especially when you claim you care about people! When you are more concerned about the copyright than the efficiency of the spiritual techniques you show your real face…and that is not something you will like to see. Be sure that people would not follow some teachers and some teachings if they are not working, and they will follow the ones that are working…even if there is a problem of copyright there. I hope you have understood something from this example and next time you will come with some practical results in guiding people on the spiritual path before you mention that you care for people.

But so far you are only making judgments and you cannot prove anything. Do you have any spiritual experience or you are just a person that pretends on all kind of forums as knowing a lot about spirituality? So far I could see from you only poisonous radical statements without any argument. And I have read many of your statements. They are all some mediocre interpretation (new age by the way) of some classical texts, with no serious references or clear arguments. Good luck with your studies.

@cecilika

Your letter is obsessively insisting on topics that are constantly appearing in all the discussions where you participate. It is clear for anyone that is reading your comments that they are coming from your personal frustrations that you got after loosing your position in MISA yoga school. Also your personal problems you have had with your husband seem to create this hatred that you try to spread around you. It is becoming clear that you are desperate to get some attention in order to find some naïve people that will buy your lies and in this way to comfort your ego that you are not the one crazy but all the others are. This is a classic behavior for persons in your situation and I don’t expect for you to recognize this. I have seen this some times with people leaving an organization: a sport club, a yoga school, a scientific team. And always for those that left after they have been making big mistakes there in the team (as you did before you left MISA, being expelled for your mistakes).

One more think I will tell you because maybe you will consider it. I have noticed reading sometimes your posts in the last two years that you are learning a lot in this personal crusade you have against MISA yoga school. In the beginning your posts were embarrassingly stupid even for the other critics (especially for those that have a job in gossiping about the school). Some they were even telling you to stop with your “writing diarrhea” because of this very low quality of language and intelligence (everybody can see the posts on the forum). But in time you started to become more coherent in expression and a little less vulgar. And even if you cannot accept it that is also because of this debate you are into…so you can say thanks to Grieg and to MISA for your personal training even after you have been kicked out of the school because of your severe mistakes. Wish you love and peace!

@bhairava or Dr. Alexandru German

Your letter for cecilia is interesting especially that you has some critics regarding some of my activity and of the school. I also thank you for the positive statements and I am anytime at your disposal if you want to deepen more the aspects where our opinion does not coincide. I believe that from constrictive critics the truth can be found. I will continue to publish more materials to disclose the actions that are done nowadays by the occult forces lead by Freemasonry against any spiritual school. Also I will continue to explain, for all willing to listen, the spiritual value of the teachings of the Spiritual Guide that is Grieg.

You are right that the people are more interested in politics and in this respect you will be amazed of the perversity of the last letter of Ajita. He is now showing clearly the political force behind him, especially after the international yoga federation was not agreeing with him and confirmed to us the Bucharest congress one more time. We are expecting in Bucharest the participation of all the board of the international yoga federation….that tells a lot of the kind of action Ajita is trying to do.

Wish you great success.

While I was traveling in India I found this interesting article (NEW INTERNATIONAL DISORDER) it illustrates a review of the world picture (at least from certain angles).

 We can see that slowly the people in the world start to wake up and realize that the actual situation is not a coincidence but more a set-up that is based on the lack of awareness that the large majority  manifests regarding the world around them. This NEW INTERNATIONAL DISORDER is a piece of a very big puzzle that now starts to come into place. 

Now we can see the evidence of this ‘waking up process’ almost everywhere. The transformation process seems to be irreversible and impossible to stop by the power holders.

Look around you and you will notice the signs of this process.

New International Disorder 

By S. Nihal Singh

Deccan Chronicle, Chennai Thursday 6 March 2008.

The European Union is not quite celebrating a great victory after carving out a separate state from the Serbian province of Kosovo in an American choreographed exercise. And although the EU has appointed a representative, Pieter Feith, in Kosovo, challenged by Belgrade, how many international laws will the European organisation break with the US encouragement before being called to order?

There was no element of surprise about Kosovo, a UN protectorate, making a unilateral declaration of independence on February 17. The United States had publicly declared its intention to recognise it. It has a large base there, in the words of the EU human rights envoy a “smaller version of Guantanamo.” Washington did not need much lobbying to get the big boys of Europe, France, Germany and Britain, to sign on. But several members, led by Spain, refused to recognise a province carved out of a nation against its wishes in contravention of the structure of the international order, based on the nation state.

First, the then Yugoslav Federation was “humanitarian intervention” through 11 weeks of bombing by NATO, principally American, aircraft. Now by lopping off Kosovo from Serbia nine years later – again without UN authorisation – the major nations of the West are thumbing their nose at the United Nations. In fact, Resolution 1244 specifically describes Kosovo as a province of Yugoslavia (Serbia being the successor state). And although the province is now inhabited by a 90 per cent majority of Muslim Albanians – some 100,000 Serbs have not fled so far – Muslim nations have been looking at the creation of the new state warily.

There is, of course, the piquant situation of the United Nations having to transfer its authority to the European Union while the world organisation still retains the responsibility under 1244. How soon UN Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon will succumb to US pressure to commit an illegality remains to be seen. Washington has decided that Kosovo should be the EU’s baby under NATO’s tutelage, irrespective of international and national laws. The small land-locked “nation” of two million people has begun its existence precariously.

Which brings us to the central flaw in the powerful nation’s right to force a nation state into submission through “humanitarian intervention”, or forcefully to carry out a nation’s dismemberment against its will – in both instances without UN authorisation. The international order is based on the equality between states, and although it is recognised in practice that some states are more equal than others – the institution of the veto power in the UN Security Council says so – the international order can only survive if smaller and weaker states feel that they are not liable to be victims of the law of the jungle.

It is universally accepted that the United States remains and will remain for some time to come in a unique position of power. This feeling of being all-powerful was best expressed by President George W. Bush in his first term in his strategic doctrine of 2002 setting out the goal of being the perpetual No. 1 power on the planet and giving itself the authority of unilaterally undertaking pre-emptive strikes against a country of its choice to ensure that no country or group of nations can challenge America.

Following this doctrine, the Bush administration disdainfully spurned the offer of help from NATO in going to war in Afghanistan. And this doctrine, chiselled by President Bush’s neoconservative advisers, took the US to invade Iraq without United Nation’s authorisation. The harsh realities of the real world forced President Bush to make tactical retreats by begging for NATO help in Afghanistan and desperately wooing and bamboozling countries to expand the woeful coalition of the “unwilling” in Iraq.

The important point to remember is that the United States has not given up on its dream of ruling the world. It has had to make tactical changes after it had overreached itself. But it is persevering in its quest for locking in its status as World No. 1 by continuing to retain Russia, most recently through planned elements of a missile defence system on Russia’s doorstep in Poland and the Czech Republic, checkmating China, building new bases in Eastern Europe and overseeing the Balkans through its major base in Kosovo.

As the European Union’s attitude to events in Kosovo has dramatically revealed, this organisation seems to have resigned itself to playing second fiddle to Washington on the world stage. Gone are the days when the EU dreamed of being a major player in its own right, with its own joined military force making its presence felt. The US was sufficiently provoked by European dreams to come down hard on Europe developing its own military instrument of policy.

Jacques Chirac yielded place to Nicolas Sarkozy in France, Gerhard Schroeder to Angela Merkel in Germany – the mood of Europe changed. The fact that anyone can think of Tony Blair, reviled by a majority in his own country for being Bush’s “poodle” as the longer-term president of the European Union under the new mini-constitution is a stark reminder of the distance the EU has travelled. The EU can still cross swords with the US on trade issues but will play a supine role on the world’s political stage – witness its policy towards the Israeli- Palestinian conflict.

Russia has made its position loud and clear. By carving a separate state out of Serbia against its wishes, the US and its allies are treading a dangerous path. What then prevents Abkhazia or South Ossetia to leave Georgia or Trans- Dniestr Moldova?  Or the Serbs, stitched together with Bosniaks and Croats in Bosnia- Herzegovina under the Dayton accord, rebelling? Or any number of other ethnic movements going their way under American auspices? That this point has registered in Europe and different parts of the world is clear from the vocal opposition of Spain and a few other EU members and from Indonesia and Sri Lanka. China and much of the developing world support the Russian argument Moscow reinforced by sending President Vladimir Putin’s successor, Dmitry Medvedev, to Belgrade.

Instead of standing up and being counted on a principle whose repudiation has grave implications for India, New Delhi has chosen to equivocate. It is time for the Manmohan Singh government to declare its opposition to the forceful creation of a new state and welcome the Serbian foreign minister to New Delhi during his planned Asian tour later this month. Deprived of a part of their country because they belong to a relatively small state on the wrong side of American strategic interests, Serbs’ fury is understandable.